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Underfloor heating/cooling cost

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Does anyone have experience with this?

From what I have seen in houses under construction, water underfloor heating/cooling is not complicated: a roll of insulation goes first, then some large "tiles" of polystyrene with knobs and space for the cabling, then the quite thin plastic cable with no connections, just a long spool. Over that 30-40mm of cement with special additive and finally the porcelain tiles. Total height 60-70mm plus tiles.

Does anyone know the cost of this for large areas per square meter including labour?
On Amazon.es I found the materials and including thermostat, etc, it looks like 100 euros per m2 excluding labour, cement and porcelain tiles.

In comparison to the super simple electric heating only per m2?
(Just a matt with a cable on the floor covered directly with the tile adhesive and the tiles, with some insulation boards under. Done it myself in England with an electrician making the connections).

I've seen underfloor cooling in operation at a friend's house, it's magical, the room is just a few degrees cooler, it feels so natural, no wind or noise, tiles cool to the touch.

I believe the negative of the water based system is that it takes a long time to heat or cool a room, as it needs a thick layer of 30 to 40mm cement on top of the system. I don't understand why it needs the concrete though, why not put tiles right on top as with the electric system?

In electric underfloor heating, there is no cement layer, so it's immediate, mine was warm in 5 minutes! So one can have a timer to only heat when needed.
The negatives of the electric system is of course 3 times the running cost (versus a modern heat pump at the water system) and that it doesn't do the cooling.

Does anyone have a company to recommend to either just buy the materials and have my builder install them, or have them do the job (minus the tiling on top I suppose)?

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I have used these guys waterproofing membranes. https://www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Floor-Warming/c/FW

I was going to use their Ditra-Heat-Duo for our home before we decided to sell and move to Portugal. Thought about doing it ourselves since we both have experience laying tiles and grouting. The fact that is a decoupler is the only way to go in my opinion. 

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yes its all great until you get a leak, the portuguese love to bury things in walls but if it doesnt work then you have a real problem.

know a few who have "enjoyed" digging their floors up

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@martin The thought of water anywhere it is not needed never appealed to me. I had a moisture meter and would go around the entire house after big rains to see if there were any leaks getting into the walls. Our last slab home would soak up the moisture and seep into the tile grout. That is what led us to the Ditra products if we were going to tear up the tile and install their heating system.

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@martin There is no problem burying pipework in walls or floors, as long as before you plaster/screed/tile you pressure test everything. If you don't trust a local builder to install it for you, then do it yourself, it's really not difficult.

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@jennick 

i write with the stories of many who have had it installed, then find it doesnt work cus the cement squashed the pipe or later it got calsified up  - then involves digging up

whats wrong with a rad on a wall with a copper tube you can see?

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@martin Woh there Martin, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying of the job is done properly, then there shouldn't be a problem!

I have fitted miles of plastic pipe in walls, through ceiling and under floors, and have never issues with it. If you use the correct materials, install correctly then fill with water and pressure test before sealing up, then all will be fine.

There is nothing wrong with surface mounted copper and rads either, (great stuff and much better than plastic IMHO), and if I had a £ for every metre of it that I've installed, then I'd be a millionaire by now 😉 

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