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Seems appropriate given that covid is raging here in the United (LOL) States, and also that the USA never allowed travel into it from our European friends.

serenity now

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looks like my long Fall visit is likely off.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/eu-travel-restrictions-americans/

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Mobile Morgues? we don't have any of those and TBH you're the first person that I'm in contact with, that has mentioned them, could it be due to the large number of excessively fat people that inhabit the USA. It's somewhat disappointing (although not unexpected) that the vaccines are proving to be not so effective, especially that they don't prevent transmission.

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@tygger   Yes, mobile mortuaries, because the local ones cannot handle the volume of new 'customers'.  They are now parked in San Antonio TX. 

The covid vaccines are not 100% effective, but that was never the claim. (I don't know if ANY vaccinations are 100%.) What they can do is reduce the chance of becoming seriously ill in case you do pick up the virus. Transmission is a another issue, but in any case, I'm happy to be vaxxed (but not microchipped). 

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@jeanne Who said that they were expecting the jab to be 100%? Big pharma claimed 90% but the reality is far less, it's also disconcerting that we're not getting the truth about the numbers who are being killed by the vaccine, the governments really don't know what they're doing, either due to incompetence or for some other malign purpose. Fauci is totally discredited.

They said that children were not at risk and now they want to jab them, every year children die from "normal" flu, but there's never been a plan to vaccininate for that. The sensible concern now is that the human race will have to live with the covid virus in the same way that we have with others and the focus should be on treatments for those who get hospitalised and protecting the vulnerable i.e. obese, older people, those with co-morbidity issues. We should have specialist isolation hospitals for all viral patients.

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Sorry Tygger but as a medical provider in the US I take offense at your blanket comments. Dr. Fauci is a reputable physician. And flu vaccines are recommended for children in the US. If you were in the middle of what has become a political quagmire in the US about covid 19 you might have a different opinion. No one ever said children were not at risk at all. I don't know what news feeds you follow but you can follow either in Europe or on other published public health websites like the CDC daily numbers and follow trends.  

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@bert As a medical provider then you, of all people, should not take offense at any contrarian opinions, but you appear to support the one sided debate which seeks to exclude all apposite views. Have you heard and even read the Great Barrington Declaration?

Do you really know what the truth about Covid is or do you get your information from CNN?

If things in the USA are as bad as you think, then certainly the UK and the EU should ban travel from the USA, you and Canada have banned us from travelling to your countries therefore it's only right and proper that we reciprocate.

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@tygger Try PubMed. That's a good site. And you are right, I would not fault the EU from banning the US at all.

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@tygger The EU should likely ban travel from the USA. It is only fair. And lets not confuse opinion with data. Crazy people have opinions, but it doesn't mean we should listen to them. See Rand Paul.

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@ralf Fair comment, but from what I have been able to discern is that we (in the UK) are not getting all of the scientific data about what is really happening. I consider my self sufficiently educated enough to scrutinise all evidence and theories and then form my own opinion, what I am missing is balance and am experiencing draconian censorship.

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@tygger I appreciate your comment. Who do you think is censoring? I am trying to understand your perspective.

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@tygger I appreciate your comment. Who do you think is censoring? I am trying to understand your perspective.

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@ralf WSJ is an outlet for propaganda? Lol 😂 

sorry couldn’t help myself just wanna lighten this conversation up a little

 

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I haven't been able to locate any substantial updates regarding the potential travel ban from US to EU since yesterday's Meeting.  Has anyone seen any substantiated info/updates?

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@livinginusa I think that like most things concerning Covid, no one knows what is happening with regards to travel, our UK government changes it mind almost daily.

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new EU travel restrictions for foreigners would become final on Monday should no EU country object

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@livinginusa my wife and I were on pins and needles prior to our trip (when they opened up this summer for nonessential travel) wasn’t sure how long it was going to stay open I checked the Portuguese embassy website several times a day

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@jgibson Thanks for all the info.....I'll keep my eyes peeled fingers crossed.

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The G Barrington presents an interesting view, but in my view also a false dichotomy, an all or nothing approach. The GB was signed by a large number of medical experts/professionals, but there is an equally large number of medical experts/professionals who disagree with its premises.   Having said that, I certainly acknowledge the social and economic difficulties caused by the lockdowns etc. 

I think Fauci is doing the best he can under the circumstances here in the USA, with its fragmented and inequitable health care system.

There is much discussion about vax % of effectivity, but then one also needs to define what that % represents.  As far as I know, it is not related to rates Of transmission. I get the regular flu shot ever year, knowing fully that I will not be 100% protected, but I think it at least reduces my level of risk.  If the US gov't had acted differently when covid first cropped up here, we would likely be in a different situation, but that is water under the bridge. 

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@jeanne The point of the GBD is that it's being suppressed in the UK, none of the MSM will mention it let alone permit any dicussion on it. The challenge for me is that in normal times those that support GBD and those who challenge it's premises would have a full and frank debate in the public arena, which would permit us to make our own decisions.

For those that doubt conspiracy theories, can I point them to a film "Dark Waters", it's easier for many to just watch a film rather than read about it.

All governments, but in particular the governments of the USA, are complicit in corruption and permitting big pharma, and other major industries, to circumvent the wellbeing of us hoi polloi for financial gain and power, Eisenhower warned about the evil influence of the MIC.

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@tygger  I didn't realize that GBD was being suppressed in the UK.  But its no news 're big pharma in the US - here (with a few exceptions) medical care is run like any other business in a capitalistic system, i.e. maximize profit.  And there's clearly lots of profit to be made in pharma. And don't get me started on how health insurance is handled here ...

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Travel Advisory: Enhanced Mandatory Quarantine for Travel to/from Portugal
Travel Alert– U.S. Embassy Lisbon (August 27, 2021)
Location: Portugal, Countrywide
Event: Enhanced Mandatory Quarantine for Travel to/from Portugal
Update: Recent updates by Portuguese airport authorities have resulted in stricter testing requirements and mandatory quarantines. Attempting to cross immigration or board a plane with a positive COVID test will result in a 10-day quarantine at the traveler’s expense.
Rapid Tests at Airports strongly discouraged. We have seen increased instances of travelers attempting to complete a rapid test at the airport, only to receive a positive test result and be detained, sometimes for hours, and forced to quarantine for the mandatory 10 days at the traveler’s expense.
Positive tests can result in detention/quarantine: There have also been several instances of positive tests from vaccinated individuals. Despite being asymptomatic, individuals have been forced to take an ambulance to quarantine facilities to wait the required 10 days, at the traveler’s expense.
Recommendation: US Embassy Lisbon recommends that travelers take any required COVID test at least one day prior to any trip at an authorized laboratory.
Assistance: U.S. Embassy Lisbon is unable to help travelers avoid or shorten government-mandated quarantine.
Though tourist travel is permitted by Portugal, the Travel Advisory for Portugal is a Level 4 – Do Not Travel due to Covid-19. Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page for more information on COVID-19 in Portugal.
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@jgibson Thanks for the info. Leaving the US for PT in just a few days.

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@cindyb , if you have not been to Portugal recently are planning to return to the US (i.e., taking a trip vs. moving permanently), you might also find it helpful to know that to take a COVID test for your return flight, stop by (or call) a pharmacy a few days in advance of the day you want to test, in order to get on their (paper!) schedule. I just returned from Portugal and was told while there that online scheduling was not available (contrary to the standard in the U.S.). Not all pharmacies will have the needed type of PCR or antigen test, but in my experience, any pharmacy can access the national database to let you know of a nearby pharmacy that does. 

Bon voyage! 

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@terrell Thank you! I unfortunately will be returning to the states. I need to finish my D7 so hopefully only a short while.

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I am hoping they will allow vaccinated Americans as my son is planning to visit in October!

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