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I wonder if anyone can advise please , we have a Portuguese NIF number registered to our UK address but we now have a Portuguese address ,would it be beneficial to change this ? If so why ? We do not have any income from Portugal . 
thank you in anticipation...

 

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If you have moved to PT and now live here, yes. If not, no.

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@old-bloke thank you . I have just tried to change old UK address to new UK address on the financas portal , but I believe because we are no longer in the EU  I have to do this in person .

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@dez10

The problem is likely to be that as a UK address is no longer an address within the EU and you now have to appoint a fiscal representative in Portugal (even if you weren't changing your address in the UK).

This should have been done before the end of the transition period but financas are giving Brits until 30/06/21 to do so (Despacho 514/2020).

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If you are living in Portugal, or plan to live in Portugal when it is possible to come back here, it will be to your benefit to have your NIF registered to your address here. 

@peggyL

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@dez10

The address your NIF number is registered to is governed by Article 19 of the General Tax Law.  Changing that address because you "plan to live in Portugal" would not comply.

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@old-bloke

once again, you miss the point. If this person is coming back to Portugal to live when covid restrictions are lifted, their NIF should be registered to the Portugal address where they are living. therefore if they are planning to return and live here in Portugal. the NIF should be registered at their Portugal address when they return

This is from the finance site:                                                                             NIFs & Tax Residency
If your NIF is registered to a Portuguese address, it’s assumed you are now tax resident in Portugal.

If you’re not planning on becoming tax resident in Portugal (for example: you normally live in the UK but are buying a holiday home in Portugal) be sure to register your NIF to your non-Portuguese address.

If you are already tax resident in Portugal, you should use your Portuguese address. 

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@peggyl thank you for the clarification.

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@peggyl

Unfortunately I am not a mind reader so when you write "If you are living in Portugal, or plan to live in Portugal", instead of "If you are living in Portugal, or are a resident temporarily displaced by covid" I can only go by the words you have used.

If, as you are now suggesting, that the person was already a resident but covid has prevented their return you must be unaware that the borders are in fact open for people to return to their country of residence, i.e. Portugal.

Many people own homes in Portugal and "plan to live in Portugal" at some point in the future (subject to covid and personal circumstances), but they are not residents and as such their NIF address must be the place where they actually reside. I believe my first answer to Dez10 covered that very situation.

Furthermore you also wrote "it will be to your benefit to have your NIF registered to your address here". Any "benefit" to registering the PT address when resident in PT doesn't matter, and your words make it sound if it's a voluntary choice. It isn't, the tax law is very specific in what address must be registered.

 

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Isn't that what I said 2 replies ago? I think you are having issues

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@peggyl

This is the second time you have felt it appropriate to attack my character because I have pointed out where information you have provided has been incomplete, misleading or wrong.

As you are not able to interact as an adult without resorting to personal attacks you have set the tone for our interactions I will respond in a like manner.

The only issue I have is trying to ascertain whether you consistently post misinformation due to ignorance, or because you're being malicious and want people to be fined. Whichever it is, you are doing a disservice to this forum and its members.

 

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@peggyl thank you

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It seems as though folks have the best of intent to help one another out with personal experience, or their interpretation of websites/information. We all have our own unique circumstances, whether living in the US or UK or wherever, and getting a NIF, or bank account, or rental all come with their own challenges.

When in doubt, when the information relay becomes foggy, it might be helpful to seek out legal advice, or retain a solicitor, to insure you are getting the most current information. COVID, as we've all learned, has completely changed many business processes, and it's hard to track the most recent revisions. It would become a fulltime job to keep it all straight.

Perhaps the biggest take away is that folks are trying to help, and there seems to be a general theme of personal attacks and intent on finding fault with articles, replies, etc.  Disheartening really. 

This year has sucked... and people need to start providing a bit of grace to one another, rather than look for an opportunity to attack.

Be well, and be kind. People have enough crap to deal with, don't add to it.

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@charw23

Would you prefer allowing incorrect information to go unchallenged?

If so, I hope for your sake you follow your own advice and use the services of a professional (not that they always get it right).

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