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Hi! Another UK Newbie, with a Dream!


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 embu
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Hi All, I have a Dream - I am considering moving to Portugal and obviously that's why I'm on here! 😉  But the more I read, the more confused I am getting so could I start with some basic questions please? I am also concerned about how Brexit will affect the chances of moving. I did watch most of the webinar and saw that you need to have at least conversational Portuguese language in order to become resident....? But started getting confused about residential status as it mostly mentions Americans and South Africans...

Ideally I would like to sell my house and come over to Portugal in my camper van (with 2 dogs they currently have passports) and have a look at some areas, either for a small rustic type rural / semi rural property or a plot of land for a self build, though this could be a non starter if I am alone & the workforce are like lots of other Europeans! 😊 I have been to the Gois Valley nr Coimbra a few times horse riding and also to the Algarve, but would prefer to avoid somewhere touristy.   I do have a partner but it's possible I would be moving alone and although I enjoy my own company I have considered the loneliness factor so considered being near an ex-pat community if it works like that in Portugal? 

I am currently 53yrs old and doubt I would be able to work there as I am not fluent in Portuguese but I would be willing to if I found something suitable but I would have finances for at least a few years then I would get a small works pension and UK pension - I hope! 

If I bought a property outright - what are the outgoing bills other than services like electric/water etc? I am thinking along the lines of Council Tax or similar as I would need to keep my costs low so I don't run out of money! 

How difficult do you think it would be to get residency/ Visas after Brexit? 

I estimate it would take me a couple of years to tie up all my lose ends here so I'd be around 55/56yrs old.

Do you knowledgeable people think this is do-able? 

 

Many Thanks x

 

 

 

 

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Posted by: @embu

 I did watch most of the webinar and saw that you need to have at least conversational Portuguese language in order to become resident....? But started getting confused about residential status as it mostly mentions Americans and South Africans...

Welcome to the forum - great to have you here

Which webinar did you watch? Was it the one about citizenship? In this case, you do need to have a minimum level of Portuguese, but to be a temporary resident (which you would to being), you don't need a language test. Permanent residency with the option of citizenship will only happen a few years on.

As for coming after Brexit, we work closely with Ei Migrante (immigration specialists) and even they are still unsure of what the procedures will be as it hasn't been made clear to them either. Did you see we have a webinar coming up about moving to Portugal prior to Brexit? Perhaps you should join us as you may learn some things even though your move is still a little bit further away.

https://expatsportugal.com/event/portugal-calling-want-to-call-portugal-home-before-brexit/

Council rates depend on where you are living. Our water is free as we have good, drinkable bore water available on our farm.

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 embu
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@astridff  Thank you for your reply - so you are saying that I could leave UK and live in Portugal, legally and only apply for residency in a few years time?  I will have a look at the other webinar, thanks. and I would *probably* be looking to live to the east of Coimbra somewhere, thanks 

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@embu there are two different stages of "residency"... Let me explain what I did on my EU Passport (I am a dual citizen of both Lativa and Australia but used my Latvian passport for residency purposes). 

When you first arrive, you need to go to your local camara (town hall) to register that you will be living in Portugal and get a Certificado de Registo de Cidadao da Uniao Europa (or Registration Certificate). You will need to show proof that you live here such as a lease, utility bill with your name/address or something similar.

This is a "temporary residence" paper that is valid for 5 years. When you approach the 5 year limit, you are then entitled to apply for "permanent residency" which is done by SEF. At this stage there is also the option of citizenship which you will need the language exam for.

Our partner's EI! Migrante have this great tool that may help you work out route to take:

http://eimigrante.pt/en/services/

You can also find information on the SEF site here:

https://www.sef.pt/en/pages/conteudo-detalhe.aspx?nID=22

 

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Just to add though that things may be slightly different with Brexit approaching and the time left to apply for temporary residency. I think the webinar coming up would be highly relevant and informative... and they are the experts.

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Hi first welcome to the Forum

Sorry but i have never heard that you need to be able to speak the language.

I live very near Gois and we have plenty of Expats.

Electric i am on all LED for lights and my electric per months is about 40€ per month bearing in my i have to provide power to my 5,000 lt tropical fish tank. Before LED and the fish tank my electric was over 60€ per month

Council tax i pay Zero as my house is under 67,500€ in value so exempt.

Water less than 5€ per month

Self build is a no no only registered builders can build a house.

Hope that helps

Peter

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Posted by: @peterfc

Sorry but i have never heard that you need to be able to speak the language.

For long-term or permanent residence visas for non-EU citizens, which they would have to apply for eventually, even if not initially, it is a requirement.

For EU citizens, it isn't.

For UK citizens already resident and those still to arrive before the end of the transition period, there will be no change in future on this matter.

Those UK citizens arriving after 31st December this year will apply as non EU citizens and be subject to all the same conditions that currently apply to third country nationals, including meeting any language requirements for the class of visa they are requesting.

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 embu
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@x-camone Thanks - that's how I understood it.... So how long can you live in Portugal before applying for visa/residency (and what is the difference please?) thanks 

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 embu
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@peterfc Hi Peter thank you for your reply which was very informative 😊 My house price would also be lower than 67,000 and I didn't know that it would not be eligible for the equivalent of council tax - great news! Thanks also for the electric & water approx costs - very helpful! I guess there's no gas out in the sticks? (a number of properties I have seen have open fires / log burner type heating)  Thanks 

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 embu
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@peterfc Sorry - also meant to ask if you are allowed to do your own renovations? or does that have to be a registered builder also? cheers!  

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