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Are there automobile enthusiasts in this community, or rather, classic car enthusiasts who are looking for like-minded people. I would be very happy to meet you.

 

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When (and if) Mother Nature and the bureaucracy allow, this enthusiast will be arriving from the Arizona (USA) desert with this 1984 urquattro. One concern I have is locating dependable service for collector vehicles. Look forward to advice. Kind of looks like (not a surprise) most of the posts here are oriented to British marques... but I am researching "Audis in Portugal"... any info or thoughts will be much appreciated.

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Very nice. The Portuguese classic car scene seems to operate mainly on facebook, there are hundreds of groups, national, local, and car specific. Audis are a popular vehicle, with the Quattro being coveted, albeit beyond the budget of most Portuguese. But yes they do like their British and Italian cars a lot.

If you want to avoid facebook, I would suggest you join ACP Classicos (ACP is similar to the AAA in America, classicos being their classic car division), then get your Quattro certified as a vehicle of historic interest whereby you will benefit from not having an IPO inspection (roadworthiness) every year (re-certification needed every 4 years), cheaper IUC (circulation tax) and cheaper car insurance. As an example someone who lives near me has a 1982 Jeep Waggoneer, he only pays €40 Euro IUC instead of €1250 and insurance of just over €30.

Here's a Portuguese classic car forum that may be of help in finding a decent mechanic. The events page is blank due to the pox measures banning meetings, pre-pox it was always full of events throughout the country.

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@landl I actually do not know anyone specialist in Audi Quattro her in Portugal. But if you need help with that car I know a lot of people in Germany that can provide info and spear-parts. It is a very interesting car. In my area it would be fantastic to drive this car.

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@bertel - thank you, I hope to build up a list of sources of support/services before we move... especially to help with legalizing the car's equipment as needed when we arrive.

Although it is a German-built car this model was altered somewhat to be legal in the US (it was only ~imported 1983-85) so I assume some aspects might require bringing it back to "euro" standards. 

Among the many reasons we are attracted to Portugal is the increased ability to travel to other countries on the continent.  Service trips to Germany or other locations would be a nice reason (excuse!) for a trip! 

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@landl yes, let my know, if I can be of any help.

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  Classics Are still about I sold this 350 SL 49,000 miles 17 year old in the UK.

2 years ago. Just one previous owner with total Service history for £8500.00

 

Would have cost too much to bring it to PT.

 

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@paulr This is also a very nice car to have. But the problem is that it is a RHD. Not the best to drive in a LHD country.

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I'm drooling over that Merc but I think the equivalent here in RHD would cost a lot more. I kept a Jaguar V12 XJS in UK as a classic car. It was in good condition, cost about £4,000 and I sold it after 3 years for £3,500. All up with maintenance, classic insurance and tax, it cost about £300 per year which I thought was good value for money.

Wish I could do something similar here in Portugal but very hard to find a decent sports car under €10k. 

Just looked at a 15 year old MX5 with 80k KMS and it's €15k ☹️ 

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@gerry I just can't my head around what cars  cost in PT. Buy in Germany and then import, at least they will be LHD.

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@paulr yes and if you bring a car that was registered before 1970 the import tax is very low and affordable. Let me know if I can help you with that.

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@gerry what about this ones? MB 200 Kompressor , MG MGF 1.8, BMW Z3 1.8. 

Just an idea.

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@bertel

Thanks Humberto. From your list of recommendations, which would you say is the most reliable MB or BMW. I like MG's and have previously owned 2 but not very reliable in my view. At least not for someone who doesn't know one end of a spanner from the other 🙁 

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@gerry I have to say that I've always done well with MGB. They all have incontinence and I never managed to turn it off, but when the engine is well done and the rest of the mechanics are good, the cars are very reliable. I've already driven from Hamburg to Lisbon and everything without any problems. Well, an old technique, you have to like it.
I personally prefer the MB 200 compressor. It's really slippery and a lot of fun to drive. The repair costs are also very reasonable. Not to mention the resale value is solid.

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I am an die hard petrolhead, I use to race an MGB GT in the UK and my brother currently races a TR4 thoughout europe and did win at the Goodwood Revival he races here every October at the Algrave Classic at Portimao. He also races his Lotus Cortina. In the 17 years I have lived in Ribamar Ericeira, I have been asset rich and money poor so no classic car money I do drive a Suzuki Swift Sport RHD which is a great mid hatch.

Colin Ross-Jones

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@pipfinder Hello Colin, I have it myself with MGB. I rebuilt some of them. I built one of them into a racing engine that is still roadworthy. So a compromise. Otherwise I also have an MGA coupé and a few Triumph Spitfires.

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@bertel

If they allow people at the Algrave Classic 30th & 31st October look us up Its a Blue  Triumph TR4 no 71. If not and you are in the Mafra/Ericeira area in one of your classics or just to meet up let me know.

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@pipfinder Thank´s for the invitation.

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I've just sold my baby, pending a house build in the Algarve, I plan to replace it with something more suitable for driving in Portugal, not sure what that would be.

 

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@tygger Hi. What about having something more popular, but with fun? Triumph or Jaguar for example. Austin Haley is also a good option. I like MGB with a tuned engine. It´s fun too drive and not very expensive. You can also bring something fun from outside to Portugal, but it has to be from before 1970. Otherwise the import taxes are ridicules high.

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@bertel Hi Humberto as much as I like looking at older classic cars, unfortunately they are a bit too primitive for me, one of the factors will be finding someone to look after the car. I do like the Triumphs, either the TR4a or TR6. I have a Mazda MX5 (NA) which I've had since 1996, which would a blast around Portugal, but I'll need to get a quote for the import tax when the time comes to move.

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Each adult new immigrant can import one car ISV free provided they meet the conditions, one of which is owning the car in the country of origin for at least 6 months.

Assuming you have another half, register your daily driver in one of your names and the MX5 in the other's name. Two vehicles imported free of ISV if you can do this at least 6 months before you make the move here.

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@old-bloke That's great news thank you, I've had the MX since almost new so that should be fine, so just need to review our daily driver and replace >6 months before we move. 😊

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@tygger

Importing cars free only applies to imports from other EU countries and it must have been run and owned in that country for a full 12 months before import

 

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ISV free import is available to a new immigrant importing their vehicle from anywhere in the world.

Article 58.1
Vehicles owned by persons over 18 years of age who transfer their residence from a Member State of the European Union or from a third country to national territory are exempt from tax, provided that the conditions set out in articles 59 are met. 2 and 60.

It used to have to have been owned for 12 months but that was reduced to 6 months in 2017.

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Sorry but I thought the opposite that they changed it from 6 months to 12 months in 2017 aas it use to ber 6 months. it is hard to get the right information to pass on. As they seem to always be changing things but not always for the better. I heard they had over charged many people on the ISV, me being 1 of them and they were going to pay back people from the last 4 years mine falls into 4 years & 6 months so looks like I miss out

 

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It definitely went from 12 to 6, at the same time they also reduced the time you couldn't sell it without penalty from 5 years to 1 year.

You are correct about the ISV rates being changed, they changed in 2016 but the EU told PT they hadn't changed enough (they weren't allowing sufficient depreciation value) so they were reduced again for imports as from this year.

The 4 year thing you refer to relates to IUC, PT had been charging IUC at the rate applicable to it being a new car on the date of matriculation instead of using the date of its original registration in another EU state as its date of first registration. A friend of mine got almost €2500 refunded. The 4 year limit on claims is due to PT tax laws limiting such claims to the preceding 4 years, therefore you can still claim back the excess you have paid for the 4 years prior to the date you claim rather than for all the years you have been overpaying since you imported your car.

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My understanding is the same as @old-bloke 

I have just completed the importation of a 30 year old BMW motorcycle from Canada which I owned for 3.5 years before moving to Portugal.  I paid zero ISV.

I would be surprised if the process was different for a car.

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@tygger I think you will love to drive this car around here. There are beautiful roads and landscapes around.

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