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crazy russian
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19/12/2019 4:00 pm  

here in UK if a car is not used it can be 'SORNED' so no insurance etc is required
is that an option in portugal?
or is/does insurance and tax etc be required regardless of usage


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X Camone
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20/12/2019 7:32 am  

As far as the tax is concerned, it's payable unless the registration is cancelled.

With regard to insurance for registered vehicles not in circulation, to the best of my knowledge nobody's going to chase you if you don't have it. However, there was a case in Portugal which went as far as the ECJ which you might want to be aware of. There's a summary here : https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... 1486f3131c

And a much lengthier explanation of all the details in the preliminary ruling prior to the ECJ making its final decision here : http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/d ... doclang=EN


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crazy russian
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20/12/2019 8:27 am  

thanks XC
mine would be immobilised (battery disconnected) and inside a locked garage.
so unless someone as broken in...
once in, it would obviously be possible to reconnect battery and open locked garage....

so it looks like the EU judgeent is applic.

thanks again


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X Camone
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20/12/2019 2:00 pm  

It arose through a particular set of circumstances which involved the driver of the uninsured vehicle being himself killed in the crash and the fact that he was driving it at all was presumably down to the ease of access for him to both vehicle and keys, since it was his mother's car.

A car in a locked garage with the key safely stashed somewhere else would presumably present a little more of a challenge, except (possibly) to rogue family members.

My understanding is that in the exact same circumstances, were the vehicle to have had the registration cancelled, the mother would not have been liable and the guarantee fund couldn't have pursued her for reimbursement. And of course, had the driver not been killed, he would have been liable.

The judgement sets a precedent, rare though it may be that it's invoked. However, it's not in itself any sort of offence not to have insurance for a vehicle parked on private property.


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Eric.OK.mate
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10/02/2020 3:40 pm  

Just read the judgement and picked out "formally withdrawn from use  (and) unless formal steps have been taken to de-register the vehicle officially"

SORN is largely understood in the UK so you keep ownership of the vehicle but agree not to use it on the road. With de-register in Portugal does this mean that ownership is transferred to another i.e. the vehicle is sold and re-registered to the new owner? 

How does a motor dealer in Portugal displaying a few dozen vehicles on a stand get round this ? (Or the dealer doesn't - so explaining how a number of expats got caught out having to pay road tax dating back to 2008 - years after selling it on to dealers)

Being trodden on by lemons ...


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